By [Concerned Sedona Resident]
(June 4, 2021)
In our first three articles we looked at the considerations for building any kind of road infrastructure to reduce Sedona’s traffic issues and explained why there are likely no new roads to Sedona’s traffic future. But at every hearing and public workshop about traffic “solutions” over the past decades, our publics also consistently suggest public transit as a way to solve our traffic mess.
Developing transit systems is popular with both the public and politicians. It comes up frequently because most people have little understanding of traffic management and see a bus system as something easy to create. People misunderstand its limits in moving people and decreasing private vehicle use. It sounds so easy and logical: create a bus system and there will be fewer cars on the road.
Popularity, logic and real traffic solutions are very different things. When it comes to using public transit as a traffic solution, fools rush in where the wise analyze fully and tread carefully. So our city has hired a Transit Manager and our City Council pushes ahead with notions of extending a bus system to the Village of Oak Creek, up Oak Creek Canyon and to popular trailheads in response to public urgings.
Residents have jumped into the transit game also with proposals that we force tourists to park in imagined lots outside town and ride busses from there, that we restrict Canyon vehicle traffic to locals only and ban cars from some areas in favor of transit-only zones. Clearly, little real analysis goes into these offhand suggestions.
The City’s mission currently seems to be to create some kind of bus system without bothering to analyze IF one can really reduce traffic problems or serve any real need. As one frequent commenter and contributor to this publication has repeatedly noted, ordinary citizens should not be asked to vote on complicated traffic solutions lest we end up with popular but ineffective outcomes.
We tried a trolley system called the Roadrunner about 15 years ago. It was supposed to reduce traffic and redistribute customers between Hillside and Uptown. City Council and City staff never bothered to do basic analyses comparing trolley capacities and traffic counts to see if such a system really could achieve those objectives.
Millions were spent over the next five years for empty trolleys to run back and forth all day. A later City Council mercifully axed the Roadrunner after the reality that it could have never worked in the first place was finally apparent. Now we appear to be headed back down the same path again.
So, as we did with the proposed “road” solutions, let’s look at the major transit proposals and consider their actual potential as traffic solutions.
Make tourists ride busses in Sedona and up the Canyon:
Like the proposed roads for locals only, all of these proposals are dead on arrival for the same reasons. Highways 89A and 179 are state highways, owned and controlled by the Arizona Department of Transportation. Highway 89A up Oak Creek Canyon is a public highway also. They are all open to public travel at all times, period.
Creating visitor parking lots on the fringes of Sedona to serve a bus system would require using national forest lands. Again, as covered in previous articles, gaining city use of Forest Service land for such a purpose involves getting past some very high barriers. That is just never going to happen either.
Yes, places like Zion National Park require visitors to stop at the Park entrance and ride shuttles to Park sites. The huge difference is that the National Park Service owns and controls the land and roadways involved. In our case, Sedona owns and controls neither. Any thought that we can force tourists to ride busses in Sedona and up the Canyon is a fallacy.
Expand bus service on 89A, to the Village of Oak Creek and up the Canyon:
We’ve all heard the saying, “You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.” Paraphrased, “You can offer a tourist a bus but you cannot make him ride it,” sums up the success potential of this approach. Tourists cannot be forced to ride buses on state highways and busses cannot take enough cars off those highways to make a detectable difference in traffic volumes even if every bus ran full every trip all day – which they won’t.
Here’s why. If we had four busses hauling 30 people each way on 179 all day from 7 am to 7 pm and that each bus (optimistically) made a round trip every hour. That is a total of 240 people per hour and almost 2,900 people per day.
Traffic counts on 179 averaged just over 14,000 cars every day in 2019. We are way over that average now with even more during periods like spring break. We can now expect 15,000 to 18,000 cars during the day. (89A averaged well over 30,000 cars per day in 2019.) Most car travel happens during that 7 am to 7 pm period.
A visitor survey showed an average of 2.6 people per tourist car and slightly less per resident car. Even with only two people per car, that is over 30,000 people every day. A top potential transit ridership is only 2,900, is less than 10 percent, assuming busses run full all day. Variables like weather, season of the year and day of the week cause more traffic variation than transit can achieve.
A more realistic daily average occupancy rate is about 15 percent. At that rate, taking cars off 179 falls to barely one percent. Undetectable. The same low ridership will apply to any Canyon bus route as well. To understand why simply look in the mirror.
When you travel by car, (which most visitors to Sedona do) that car is your security blanket. You depend on it for transportation, convenience, safety in a strange place, storage for things you buy, deposit for things you may need, a place to rest, etc. etc.
Two thirds of the cars on Sedona roads are tourists. Two thirds of those are day trippers. The latter are never going to abandon their cars for a bus. You wouldn’t either. Few visitors would unless forced to by some rule. Sedona cannot make that rule.
When traveling 179, we’ve all learned to plan our trips early or late in the day or go around via Beaverhead Flat Road because travel is uncertain. That unreliability will also impact busses. A transit vehicle up the Canyon will be caught in the same backups and schedule unreliability as on 179. Nothing kills a transit system like an unreliable schedule. Extending a transit system to the Village and up the Canyon hoping it will reduce traffic is a complete fallacy. Listen up City Council!
Transit from hotels to popular trailheads
Several years ago, a local entrepreneur proposed that he would run a transport shuttle from local hotels to Forest Service trailheads for a small fee per passenger. The hotels declined to participate. Now the city proposes to do the same. As long as the city is paying for it, local hotels will likely participate, and why not.
A transit system to take tourists from hotels to trailheads faces the same reluctance to abandon private vehicles described above. It has a little better chance of success if the trailhead parking problems are made clear and schedules are reliable. But remember, 2/3 of the tourists are day trippers and there are perhaps 2,000 non-hotel lodgings outside the hotel system. Hotels now play a much lower percentage role in accommodating Sedona tourists and any transport system serving hotels alone will exclude many overnight visitors and miss virtually all of the day trippers.
Another major issue with this approach, however, is the additional trail overuse it will cause. Sedona’s popular trailhead parking areas are already over filled and the trails are already overused, but visitors will still use their cars whenever possible. The Forest Service designs trailhead parking based on the maximum use level that trail can stand. Anything designed to bring in hikers beyond the trail’s planned capacity is irresponsible. However, it appears to be the city’s intent to do just that.
Another bus to nowhere?
The notion that any kind of transit system can alleviate our traffic woes or even dent it is pure fallacy. We saw that movie with the Roadrunner. Wise Councilors will carefully test any kind of new transit system before foolishly rushing in. If transit proponents want to develop a bus system purely to serve people who lack another form of transportation that is an entirely different discussion. Experience, however, proves such a purpose makes for a mighty expensive public taxi service.
So what can we do about our traffic problems that actually might work, be affordable or make sense? In our final article, we look at the “Simple Solutions.”
(Over) Selling Sedona: Decision Points
How Do They Measure Up? Part 1 • Part 2
The Fallacy of Transit
Simple Solutions
Selling Sedona – One Year Later: Part 1 • Part 2 • Part 3
Selling Sedona, 2015: Part 1 • Part 2 • Part 3 • Part 4 • Part 5 • Epilogue
16 Comments
Well I guess you have never seen what Cottonwood does with their Cats bus?
Have you been to the Grand Canyon in the last 15 years?
If you can’t get to a trail head, West fork, or Slid Rock without being on a bus I guess you dont have a clue!
Why do people love to complain about a problem, and want to do nothing to fix it?
Do people honestly think that by stopping advertising, traffic magically disappears?
This series is great for saying what won’t work for Sedona’s traffic problem. But will the writer offer suggestions for a solution, or is it just “we’re screwed”? The status quo is not acceptable to residents.
Why does the writer hide his identity? What’s the purpose?
This has been a very informative and insightful series of articles.
I agree with most of the conclusions. Busses will never work!
However, I still think the red rock crossing option might have merit and should be analyzed.
Biden will pay for it if it really moves a meaningful amount of traffic away from Y intersection.
Yes, there is legitimacy in several of your points. That said, if a visitor (just for the day or longer) needed a reservation to hike a trail system in the area and the only way of getting to trailheads was by a shuttle, then I believe you would have a different story. Let’s have a central parking lot at the ranger station on the south edge of town be the gathering point. Admission to a trail is only allowed with proof of registration for that specific trail on that specific day. This would eliminate the need to create bigger parking lots at individual trailheads or funnel traffic to an already congested area at the Y. Call Aspen, Colorado and ask them how to implement this process. Maroon Bells, a very popular Aspen hiking area, was congested to the point that nature’s beauty was being eroded by the human footprint. They put in a gate that prohibits cars from entering and people access the area by a transit system only. We need to protect our environment and the beauty that surrounds Sedona by limiting the number of visitors allowed on the trails.
Kudos to the writer of this article for a well written and researched piece! Thank you!
To the negative commenters: Yes, we are screwed! and You don’t have meaningful responses to the points made in this article, so don’t waste my time!
Personally I don’t care who wrote this: it’s valid, accurate and true.
I was an AirBnB host, for years, but stopped because of the damage these and other short-term rentals are doing here. Our right-wing development-loving State Legislature imposed a law in 2017 on all municipalities in AZ that disallows any local control of this practice. Here’s something YOU CAN do: lobby our state legislators to reverse that ill-conceived law. Even then, it would take years to phase out all the active short-term rentals. I’ve heard there are 2,500 in/around Sedona now.
We also need less visitors in town on each and every day of the year, not just because of horrible traffic but because of the drought, high fire danger, dropping water table, etc. WE CAN also lobby the City, Chamber of Commerce, and Red Rock Ranger District/Forest Service to develop and implement controls on visitor volume. WE CAN support Keep Sedona Beautiful as they continue to work with these agencies to find solutions.
“Ordinary citizens should not be asked to vote on complicated traffic issues lest we end up with popular but ineffective outcomes:” that’s exactly what happened with 179 and how we ended up with one lane in each direction. When I first moved here 16 years ago I was talking to a neighbor who had a visitor, a woman, and they were all elderly. We were talking about 179, and the woman said that the three of them had been part of a local group, a small group who decided whether 179 should be one or two lanes in each direction. The woman said “We decided it should be one lane in each direction because Sedona is a small city and we wanted to keep it small.“ I couldn’t believe the logic in that comment. Especially because traffic was already starting to become more and more busy even at that time. And now it is ridiculous. I so wished that they had decided to have at least two lanes in each direction, because that would solve a lot of problems coming up 179, and, I wish that there were at least three lanes at the circles at the Y, because I lived in a large city that very effectively had traffic moving with three lanes going into each circle, and the circles were way larger. The right Lane would always go off to the first street to the right, the middle lane could continue around and then people could get over into the right lane if they wanted to get off at the next street to the right or continue staying in the middle lane to go off in that direction that they wanted. They were four directions going off of those large circles. And they worked very well, especially during rush hour traffic.
First, some thanks to the purveyor of common sense (series author). And second, this year is not going to be representative … but is a good metric for near future traffic demands. And unavoidable .. a ballooning university northwise. And a growing 5-6 million folks southwise. Then add improved LV highway access to boot.
Debbie’s idea is probably most do-able, but would demand a close partnership with the Forest Service, to include funding support (parking, staffing, etc). I suspect they’re at wits-end too.
When the roundabouts at the Y were first planned, it was assumed they’d gum up at maximim use periods, unless you pushed all 89A>179 south onto Brewer>179. Now, they tried pseudo-slip lanes … which wouldn’t fix the gum-up.
Two-laning 179 (re-striping) as a future choice was argued to support multi-use single-laning. But how emergency vehicles could get through, on 2-laning (re-striped), I’ve no idea. Expansion would be a major project, due to hill-cutting.
Finally, there’s forest fire risk, over-running either of the 2 state highways. Maybe 179 expansion is the only reasonable choice (long-term).
Susie, your 6/7 post accurately describes most of the 179 traffic issue in which I participated trying to persuade the 4 lane ,ADOT road was the best engineering design. That idea – keep Sedona a small city – did have widespread support in resident thinking . Dumb as it was.
This example of letting residents who are not qualified as road designers is why I am urging that the professional engineers make the decisions for any road designs we adopt now. If we don’t we risk another 179 or a bunch of them.
John
I have spoken at city council meetings and written to RRN about the bus.
I do not see it working. Why would someone come in on I-17 and park near VOC to take 2 or more buses to get to WEST FORK only have to do a reverse trip to get to their car and then come back into town to go to their motel. Who would want to take a bus to SLIDE ROCK with all the stuff you need to be at the water. The numerous bike riders will not be using the bus. The folks towing in their ATVs will not be on the bus. The buses will not infiltrate our neighborhoods enough. Thus if a resident wanted the bus they would have to park at a motel.
I will suggest again giving Cottonwood $3,000,000 per year to add to their bus lines. Why? We already give them about $300,000 a year if I remember correctly for service here. $3 million represents one half of the $6,000,000 Sedona thinks it will cost to run a bus system – a bargain. Then if it works (by them adding routes and more bus frequency) we also save the around $45 million to get a new bus system in place.
Prepare for a new onslaught of tourist between June 14th and July 4th as we enter a whole new era.
There’s only one pallet left to count in Maricopa and we’re already hearing rumors of the the massive fraud that’s about to be uncovered. Arizona will likely be the first domino to fall as other states realize that the election was rigged and a fake presidency is now in the White House.
The pretend administration of Biden/Harris is about to be kicked out . Due to deceit, trickery during the election and PROVEN by the ballot audit, the 2020 election will be eviscerated and null and void. Trump will soon take his rightful place back in Washington DC.
This will set off freedom celebrations all over Arizona, and here in McCain country, will be no different.
God Bless America! woot!
I believe the higher volume in tourists will be due to the delayed film festival and not any “…PROVEN…” discoveries in the Nov election.
Just because it is repeated that it was a fixed election does not make it so.
I hope all discoveries are posted as found – not made up to satisfy those “counting.”
I am most interested in how many ballots have “bamboo fibers” in them. Yes, those people have made that claim along with saying ballots came from overseas that just happen to have addresses, names, and signatures of people that live in AZ.
I am also interested in the answer to how many dead people voted. Another claim of those people.
After those tallies are given……let us see if the outcome of a certified election changes.
The 2 reasons this recount is going on is to:
-raise money for those people.
-to undermine democracy
(Isn’t it funny how many Republicans unseated Democrats and that was not “rigged” and a president was unseated in the same election and that was “rigged”. ? . ! . ? ! .
lol! Bamboo fibers! That’s a lie spread by the MSM
They are looking at registrations = that is, is the printing of the ballots straight enough to read?
They are looking for fold marks on mail in ballots = ballots have to be folded to be put into the envelopes. No fold marks, the ballot is fraudulent.
They are looking for duplicates, unsigned and illegible ballots.
From what I’m hearing they may have enough fake ballots to decertify the county.
This audit is an audit for the PEOPLE and let’s not forget how the democrats called “fraud” when Hillary lost in 2016. This audit will verify whether or not our election results can be trusted in ANY election and strengthens the democratic process.
If the democrats do not want this audit, what are they hiding?
“We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Biden said in a clip posted to Instagram Oct. 24.
People are waking up.
This just in:
The audit is done. All ballots have been counted and examined.
There are 200,000 missing ballots.
Were the Dominion machines programed to add 200,000 votes for Biden when the count was shut down on election evening?
If so, proves absolute fraud and the election will be eviscerated.
The whole world knows Trump won.
@JB
Your quite a “story teller”. I understand why your BF dumped you. Please don’t call anybody a sheepue anymore cause it appears that you are one.
To Joe Torre
You must be confusing me with someone else. i have been married for 37 years and have been a Sedona resident for over 20 years. i do not call people names, but of course if the shoe fits….
Biden won by point four percent of the votes. This count in ONE county shows a 5 to 15% discrepancy. Let’s audit the other counties.
The only one telling stories is the MSM and the pretend (and soon to be disbanded) Biden administration.
Good luck democrats! your time is up.