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    (Over) Selling Sedona:
    How Do They Measure Up? Part 2

    May 28, 2021Updated:June 11, 20216 Comments7 Mins Read
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    By [Concerned Sedona Resident]
    (May 28, 2021)

    Selling SedonaIn our first article, we looked at the five criteria governing the viability of proposed Sedona traffic solutions.  In the way of quick review, those criteria involved ownership of the land, public access to publicly-funded routes, funding, efficacy of the proposed solution and negative considerations.

    In our last article, we evaluated three proposals against these criteria including building roads only locals can use, bridging Red Rock Crossing and paving Schnebly Hill Road.

    In this second of two parts, we evaluate the other three most commonly proposed traffic solutions including widening Highway 179, bypassing Uptown and neighborhood connectors.

    Widening Highway 179 to four lanes:

    Ask yourself, just what is the real cause of traffic backups on Highway 179?  It’s not the number of traffic lanes.  It’s the “Y” roundabout.  It is already two lanes wide entering that roundabout from all three directions.  Extending the length of those double-lane portions may make the backups shorter but traffic will also move only half as fast since it takes the same amount of time for a vehicle to get through the “Y.”  Longer double lanes won’t make cars pass through any quicker and won’t shorten backup waiting time.  Moving people faster toward a bottleneck doesn’t change the bottleneck. 

    Compared to the traffic impact of the “Y” things like the crosswalk at Tlaquepaque, cars jockeying lanes and vehicles turning left or entering the road from businesses have only minor effect.  Changing any of those factors will change very little in the way of backups.

    Like bridging Red Rock Crossing or paving Schnebly Hill Road, widening 179 faces most of the same set of difficulties.  Part of the widened route would be on Forest Service land with all the requirements that go with it.  Highway 179 is also owned and controlled by the Arizona Department of Transportation not the City.  ADOT would have to approve any changes.  After rebuilding 179 about 15 years ago plus repaving and adding streetlights to 89A ten years ago, ADOT is pretty much done with Sedona for a long time.  There is no funding source for the many millions of dollars widening would require and it won’t pass the cost/benefit test given that there are already two incoming lanes from all three directions at the “Y” bottleneck.

    The negative impacts of widening 179 to four lanes all the way to the Village seem to be forgotten by those pushing this proposal.  Anyone trying to turn left will have to cross two rather than one lane of traffic causing more slowing.  Trying to cross four lanes rather than two as a pedestrian will be harder and more dangerous and vehicle accidents caused by more lane changing will increase.  Widening is also likely to wipe out some businesses along the road as well as make access to others harder.

    Like the other “solutions” discussed above and in Part I, widening 179 is never going to happen in our lifetimes.

    Bypass Uptown:

    With a blithe wave of the hand, folks like our local newspaper editor suggest we just build a bypass around Uptown between Highways 89A and 179.  No specific routing is ever mentioned.  Again assuming the proposers don’t intend to wipe out people’s homes, businesses and private property in doing so, that means using Forest Service land. 

    The issues of seeking national forest land for any kind of road have already been discussed.  Lack of any funding source has also been covered.  Such a cut-across might help some of the 179 backup but only for the limited number of people who were headed straight up the canyon with no interest in seeing or stopping in Uptown. 

    The major bypass problems come from the construction process itself.  In Uptown and beyond, 89A climbs up the hillside away from Oak Creek.  Across the way, Schnebly Hill Road, the bypass connector on the other side, does the same.  The result is about 200 feet of steep hillside and cliffs on both sides that any bypass route would have to scale.  Even with the most steeply allowable highway grades, that means a 30 foot plus road base cut into both hillsides and extending a considerable distance.

    Imagine a 30 foot roadbed blasted into the hillside following what is now Huckaby Trail off Schnebly Hill Road.  The new roadbed curves around the hillside about one and one half miles until it is just across from the Purtymun historic site, the last private land inside Sedona’s boundary.  There it crosses a bridge over Oak Creek and climbs up the cliff on the north side to intersect Highway 89A just west of Midgley Bridge.

    The pollution and environmental damage to the Oak Creek waterway would be massive.  Hundreds of thousands of cubic yards of rock must be blasted out of both sides to create the roadbed.  That blasting would rattle all the homes in the area and shake many Uptown businesses as well.  The bypass intersection with 89A above Sedona would result in significant disruptive cross traffic if the new route were to carry enough vehicles to make any difference and the construction scar would be an ugly welcome to Sedona for those entering town from the north. 

    True, both roadbed cuts could be avoided by use of a monstrous freeway-like overpass/ bridge stretching about two miles from end to end.  Don’t even think about the cost for something like that. 

    And so another favorite traffic solution proposal will not see the light of day – and it should not! 

    Neighborhood connectors:

    For those unfamiliar with this “solution,” it means widening existing city streets through neighborhoods – with a few takings of private property – to make some wider and faster roads.  The purpose is to save drivers from having to go out on 89A or 179 to reach a destination.  Connectors might also take a few cars off our main streets.  Unlike all the other proposals discussed above, much of the land needed would already be city street rights of way.  The issue of land ownership mostly disappears, except where the condemning of private homes and land was needed to complete a routing. 

    Cost is always an issue but with the city wanting to make the added .5% sales tax permanent, the price tag could be slowly handled in time.  Convenience for some residents is the main benefit.  How many cars these routes might actually take off the main highways is questionable. 

    The real fights will come from those who would see their neighborhood streets become larger, higher-speed roads, along with the loss of front yards (albeit some of that land may actually be city right of way) and a major change in neighborhood character.  Property values along these routes will also decline and neighborhood safety, especially for children, will be jeopardized.

    In summary, for connector routes, the land is city-controlled, city funding could be made available in time, convenience will improve for local travel and some removal of cars from our highways may occur.  But the change to neighborhoods where connectors happen will be major. 

    Neighborhood opposition and the NIMBY factor will hold these proposals at bay for years to come.

    No roads to the future 

    Failure of any of these “road” solutions to reach fruition over the past several decades is not from lack of leadership as some have suggested.  It is not from one group or vision overpowering another as others have implied.  It comes from people in various decision-making roles at city, state and federal levels evaluating the realities, costs and benefits and realizing that costs, in all their forms, are too high and any actual benefits that might result are not justifiable. 

    The bridging, bypassing, widening, connecting and paving proposals are not solutions to Sedona’s traffic future.  Building such additional infrastructure to handle more cars will only mean that even more traffic still will continue to overwhelm Sedona and irritate city residents. 

    In this series so far we have looked only at the infrastructure-building proposals.  The glaring omission is a look at the use of transit to “solve” traffic problems.  In our next article we’ll examine “The Fallacy of Transit.”

    (Over) Selling Sedona: Decision Points
    How Do They Measure Up? Part 1 • Part 2
    The Fallacy of Transit
    Simple Solutions

    Selling Sedona – One Year Later: Part 1 • Part 2 • Part 3

    Selling Sedona, 2015: Part 1 • Part 2 • Part 3 • Part 4 • Part 5 • Epilogue

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    6 Comments

    1. Michael Schroeder on May 31, 2021 7:16 pm

      The delay on 179 is not the “Y”. Never has been the “Y”. It’s Talaquepaque. As one who drives it up to half dozen or more times a week in all traffic conditions, it is obvious.

      You can mitigate that tie up:

      1. Get the under the bridge walkway which is designed, built.
      2. Stop ALL traffic from exiting the large gravel lot and Los Abrigados from exiting directly on SR179. Dump it on brewer road and sign it clearly for I17, UPTOWN, WEST SEDONA

      Start there, cost is minimal compared to the other fantasies.

      3. Get a beefy low water crossing at RED ROCK crossing primarily for locals.

    2. JB Sedona on June 1, 2021 1:30 pm

      Get a beefy low water crossing at Red Rock crossing primarily for locals? Are you nuts?

      You want 2000+ cars per day to drive THRU the water at one of the most pristine, meditative spots in Sedona? Seriously?

    3. john roberts on June 1, 2021 2:19 pm

      NO jb Mike isn’t nuts. You are though as are too many other residents.

      john

    4. Michael Johnson on June 1, 2021 6:25 pm

      I have said a number of things to the city council and letters to the editor RRN about traffic.
      Two come to mind

      i) make two-lanes on RT179 coming into Sedona (visitors seem to arrive early and at the same time) and leave one-lane leaving (visitors tend to leave all day long or stay overnight)

      ii) at Talaquepaque do not build the 700ft plus tunnel to cross about a 73ft street because A) it is expensive and B) the city does not plan to close the crossing (if the tunnel is built) during times when the traffic is not busy

    5. john roberts on June 1, 2021 8:30 pm

      Nice try Michael but hardly expert. Let the professionals decide, like I have been saying .

      John

    6. JB Sedona on June 2, 2021 1:02 pm

      The CITY of SEDONA has NO SAY about roads/ bridges built outside of city limits, such as Red Rock Crossing.

      YAvapai County does not want to foot the bill to solve a traffic problem in uptown Sedona, which is Coconino County. It would require state funds.

      I suggest all Sedona citizens take a closer look at the 30 X 30 plan currently being pushed by the Biden administration. This plan is simply Obama’s National Monument EO in a shiny new package. The 30 X 30 plan was detailed in a recent Red Rock News article, and largely ignored by the masses. This plan will REMOVE any private property owner if the property is deemed “unworthy.” Water rights are again the crosshairs of the feds. Alarm bells should be going off, but again the same sleeping masses say nothing until it is too late.

      I have no idea who John Roberts is or what he thinks he knows, but I was there at the meetings when they proposed to “improve” Hwy 179. First of all, there was NOTHING wrong with the road before the “improvements” as it was OK to stop and take photos or get out and hike anywhere along the highway. The community came together every Christmas for the kids to decorate the trees. When the last meeting closed, the community voted for a 4 lane highway, but the guy from ADOT said, “we don’t care what you want” and so we got something no one expected – a 2 lane slow moving and easily clogged road with no stopping and no community involvement.

      Same with the lights on 89A that no one wanted. But a development went south in Flagstaff when the real estate market crashed and ADOT had all these special “dark city” lights and they looked around for deep pockets, finding them in Sedona.

      Same thing with Long Canyon. Same thing with the Cultural Park. Doesn’t matter what what the citizens want –

      and now they want all of Sedona to be a tourist destination only. No private property. No citizen rights. Hotels and airbnbs only. The reason they made 179 a two lane highway was for the coming trams and people movers, and it didn’t matter what the residents want because they will soon be rid of them.

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    Dear Sedona,

    The moment is upon us. The time for a united effort to shift the focus back to our community is now.

    The ability to thrive in our community, our environment, our workforce, and the tourist industry, is entirely possible because we have all the resources needed for success.

    Still, we need a council that isn’t afraid to ask the hard questions, that makes decisions based on data and facts, and through discussion, rather than moving and voting in group unison as they so regularly do.

    This is my home. I have been a part of the Sedona community for 28 years. I witnessed the road debacle, the lack of planning, the city circumventing the local businesses ability to thrive, while making choices to expand the local government and be in direct competition with private industry.

    I am a unique candidate because unlike the incumbents, I don’t believe the government should expand in size, nor in operations, nor would I attempt to micromanage every aspect of our community.

    City government should stay in its lane and allow the competitive market of local private industry to prosper. And it should defend our community from corporate takeover and infiltration of our town.

    I do not agree that we should sign onto International Building Codes and regulations by signing Sedona up to the ICC. It is imperative that we remain a sweet, rural community.

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    The discord between the decision making process and the desires of the community have never been more clear. It has been nearly a decade in the making.

    It is time for a new era of energy to take charge. An energy that is reflective in the ability to succeed rather than be trapped in out of date consciousness.

    It has been a great honor meeting with each of you. I hear your concerns over the insane and out of control spending and I echo them. A budget of $105,000,000 in a town of 9700 residents is completely unacceptable. A parking structure (that looks like a shoe box) originally slated to cost 11 million, now projected to cost 18 million, is incomprehensible. Especially, considering there is no intention of charging for parking.

    For those who are concerned that I lack the political experience within our established system- that is precisely what Sedona needs… Not another politician, but instead a person who understands people, who listens to the voices within the community, and who will act in service on their behalf with accountability, for the highest good of Sedona. What I am not, will prove to be an asset as I navigate the entrenched bureaucracy with a fresh perspective. Business as usual, is over.

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    • Does this decision benefit the local businesses?
    • Does this decision actually help the environment?
    • Will this decision sustain benefit in the future, or will it bring more problems?

    What we have now is a city government that expands to 165 employees for 9700 residents. Palm Desert has 53,000 residents and 119 city employees. Majority of our city department heads are not even in town. I find this problematic.

    Efforts towards championing in and courting new solutions for our medical needs are imperative. We are losing our doctors. We must encourage competition with other facilities rather than be held hostage by NAH, who clearly have their own set of dysfunctions.

    We must remember that so many move to Sedona for its beauty, hiking, and small town charm. Bigger, faster, and more concrete does not, in broad strokes, fit the ethos of Sedona.

    The old world must remain strong here in balance, as that is what visitors want to experience. Too many have noted that Sedona has lost its edge and charm.

    As Mayor I will preserve the rural charm of our community, and push back against the urbanization that is planned for Sedona.

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    As Mayor, I will create an agenda to deliberately embody the consciousness of our collective needs here, allowing private industry to meet the needs of our community rather than bigger government.

    I hope to have your vote on Aug 2nd. I am excited and have the energy to take on this leadership role with new eyes, community perspective, and the thoughtful consciousness that reflects all ages of the human spectrum.

    Thank you deeply for your consideration.

    Sincerely,

    Samaire Armstrong

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