By [Concerned Sedona Resident]
(May 23, 2021)
In our last article, we looked at the five questions or criteria governing the viability of proposed Sedona traffic solutions. In the way of quick review, those were ownership of the land, public access to publicly-funded sites, funding, efficacy of the proposed solution and negative considerations.
In this first of a two-part discussion, we evaluate some of the most commonly proposed traffic solutions against those five criteria to see how they measure up. They include routes for locals only, bridging Red Rock Crossing and paving Schnebly Hill Road. In the second part, we’ll look at widening Highway 179, bypassing Uptown and neighborhood connectors.
For Locals Only:
“Let’s build a road that only locals can use or that only locals know about.” These two proposals are evaluated together since both are conceptual and do not focus on specific sites.
Without a specifically site, it’s harder to weigh the land ownership issue. Given the lack of open land inside the city and assuming the proposers don’t want to destroy residents’ homes and take away their private land, that leaves only Forest Service lands outside the city and thus outside the city’s jurisdiction.
Actually, there is no possibility at all of building anything that “only locals know about.” Social media would quickly take care of that! Supposedly the Chamber of Commerce is not advertising Sedona right now, but somehow huge numbers of people still find us every day. There is no big sign that says “Hike Here” at the entrance to the Devil’s Bridge trail, but upwards of 1,000 people find it every day. And, no advertising or signage directs people to camp out along Forest Road 525, but the area is overrun with campers. Social media speaks!
For any proposal involving the taking and use of national forest land, an environmental impact study will be required. This is not a simple, cheap or quick process. Assessing the environmental impacts of any routing will involve serious evaluations including everything from archeology to wildlife and significant public participation in the process. Several years of time and several million dollars would likely be needed to complete this mandatory step for any roadwork on federal lands.
A completed impact study doesn’t assure a project approval. Impact studies develop information on a set of choices. Those include a “no-action” choice. If the negative impacts of the project and the feasibility of it being accomplished outweigh the estimated benefits, “no action” may be the preferred alternative. The more limited the public’s access the less public benefit is realized and the lower the overall project value. Attempting to build a road, bridge or bypass on federal land for limited public use would be highly unlikely to ever pass environmental impact approval.
As noted in our first article, using county or state public highway money (the only likely funding source) for a road that excludes certain publics would never be approved by those who administer the funds. Any real proposal to “…build a road that only locals can use or know about,” would be dead on arrival.
Bridge Red Rock Crossing:
It’s not just about a bridge. The “crossing” and the road on both sides are on national forest land. All three areas would require a major construction effort. And, no, we cannot just put back the low water crossing slab. The rules about Oak Creek and the land on either side have changed in the decades since the last slab washed out.
First, an environmental impact study would be required. The time and money to do that activity has already been discussed. This proposal, unlike the for-locals-only ones, would probably stand a better chance of being approved. But that is only the beginning and it’s a long shot.
Design and construction costs would run in the tens of millions (roughly $40 million and climbing?) and there is no available money source. As we noted before, Sedona certainly doesn’t have it. Neither does Yavapai County or the state.
Again, it’s about way more than a bridge. The roads on both sides of Oak Creek would require major rebuilding to bring them up to current roadway standards necessary for use of public highway money. That means rebuilding all the way to 89A on the north and at least to where pavement begins on the south side.
Then there is the opposition certain to come from some county residents living along the Verde Valley School Road as their peaceful country route threatens to become a high volume and higher-speed traffic thoroughfare. Finally there is the safety issue of pushing a major load of traffic past our Junior High/High School – where the city’s largest concentration of low-experience drivers gather.
This route would likely become a convenient cut-across for locals but few tourists would find it. The probability of it reducing traffic volumes on Highways 179 and 89A is small, meaning the overall public benefit is small as well. Lack of funding alone likely kills this proposal. Along with the likely political storm from some Village residents and those living along Upper Red Rock Loop Road as well, plus safety concerns about increased traffic next to a school, this proposal will stay dormant far into the future.
Pave Schnebly Hill Road:
It sounds so simple. The road is there. Just pave it and problem solved! Whoa!! Anyone making this proposal probably has never been up this 12-mile piece of road. It’s hardly a road at all from Sedona up to the top of the rim. It’s barely one vehicle wide in places, has steep mountain grades far exceeding highway standards and a construction price tag that likely exceeds any of the other common traffic proposals by a wide margin.
Much of the road below the rim is cut out of a rock shelf. Widening it to highway standard width (necessary to use any highway funding source) of about 30 feet would take really major work in solid rock. The necessary widening would leave a very large and visible scar on the mountainside and, overall, need upwards of $80 million or more for cost.
It’s on Forest Service land all the way. This means several years and several million for the impact study. Expect strong opposition from the Forest Service who don’t want another main highway bisecting the forest through major recreation areas and prime wildlife habitats.
Expect also increased, not decreased, traffic problems with a larger number of vehicles dumped into the Schnebly Hill Road roundabout on Hwy. 179. That would be one of the unintended consequences of adding traffic load just before the major bottleneck of the “Y” roundabout. And then there is the issue of maintenance costs for a lengthy new piece of highway and the question of whether it can be kept open in winter months. (The current road is closed in winter due to snow blockage.)
In summary, it would take years – up to a decade – to study, design, contract and build this proposal. Sedona does not control the land. The price tag is huge with no funding source in sight. The number of vehicles it might actually serve is questionable and the environmental impact is high.
Forget this one. It’s way short of any level of feasibility.
In our next edition, How Do They Measure Up Part II, we’ll review the proposals for widening Highway 179 to four lanes, bypassing Uptown and building neighborhood connector routes.
(Over) Selling Sedona: Decision Points
How Do They Measure Up? Part 1 • Part 2
The Fallacy of Transit
Simple Solutions
Selling Sedona – One Year Later: Part 1 • Part 2 • Part 3
Selling Sedona, 2015: Part 1 • Part 2 • Part 3 • Part 4 • Part 5 • Epilogue
12 Comments
Thanks for this very reasonable reality check. I have some thoughts on the traffic situation we face everyday.
1. This is the third tourist area that I have lived. The traffic here is nowhere near as bad as the other two and I for one can live with it as it is, even though difficult at times.
2. Traffic is bad primarily due to choke points along the way. You probably all know these…
A. Tlaquepaque & the bridge area.
B. The Y.
C. The Uptown area.
3. These choke points all lie within the city limits of Sedona and within Coconino County, plus State highways. It is my opinion that the responsibility for doing anything about them should be with those entities, not Yavapai County or the residents of VOC.
Schnebly, there’s a utility right up the middle also. Don’t know if it’s electrical, gas or water.
Every couple of years, new people in Sedona are surprised that it’s a well known tourist destination with terrible traffic many times a year. They then propose all sorts of solutions, new to them but old to us. Newcomers should visit the Sedona town hall to look at all the traffic studies completed over the past 30+ years. A lot has been proposed and ruled out for a range of good reasons. The only way to reduce traffic congestion is to reduce the number of cars on the road. That means an investment in public transportation, including Trail shuttles. History has shown repeatedly, more and wider roads bring more cars and more traffic congestion. The well financed studies on file at the City bear this out. Unfortunately, no one seems to be willing to make the needed investment.
After reading this informative and well-researched piece from top to bottom I came away with one solid impression. Tommy was right. The only way out is in. It’s time to Zen up everyone. There’s nothing else besides what John Neville is suggesting that can be done to alleviate congestion.
Interesting postings re the Sedona traffic scene.
As to the 179 situation I remember ADOT wanting it to be a 4 lane and not two to reduce the congestion and improve road surface condition, but tree huggers voted that down.
I’m curious where the cost figures come from for several of the suggested cures. Are they wild guesses or from a reliable source.
These posts from a concerned Sedona resident seem to indicate group action. If so who is it and let us know unless you are afraid to be exposed to criticism.
john
As John asked, WHO is writing theses articles? While they appear to be comprehnsive and well written, the conclusions lack insight but it would be very helpful to know WHO is authoring them. No ned to hide! The best solution is collaboration with ALL parties on these issues to see IF there is a solution we can all live with. The width of SR179 is not due to tree huggers — some at the time didn’t want high speed traffic whizzing through Big Park. It WOULD be nice to having passing areas to get around trucks, motorhomes, etc. . . . . so we can stop in the lines closer to Sedona. . . .
If we ALL put our heads together, calmly and without any preconceived ideas of building bridges, etc., etc., just maybe we CAN find a solution!
On the question of seemingly impossible funding for proposals, could the pending federal infrastructure bill be a source?
Good post, Dave. But if you were around when the vote took place the predominate support for 2 lanes in the media posts was to save trees – so tree hugging was a main factor in the vote. I was in the thick of that issue with the Sedona paper allowing me the use of their editorial space to inform the readers of good engineering practices and federal policies. Public opinion prevailed and I was not persuasive.
Besides, all the trees which were dug up and boxed died off for lack of watering them.
Please let’s not allow the public to decide how to design highways like we have so unsuccessfully done in the past when we have ADOT and the Sedona public works expert engineers to do it. The past is full of this kind dumb public thinking.
I don’t want another 179 around . We will get it though, if the public is allowed to influence design which must belong only with experts most of whom are licensed professional engineers. Does anyone actually think 179 is performing as it should ????? I don’t believe so.
” just maybe we CAN find a solution .” is a pipe dream and no where close to reality.
John
People everybody’s looking for an enemy or a bad guy , but what traffic comes down to is more people are coming to Sedona than 179 can handle.
Cooks Hill on 89 A now has commuter traffic because so many of our employees live out of town since 1350 was passed. We have lost almost 1700 homes in the area that are now STR’s weekend we have another 3 to 4000 cars in town , so let’s just deal with a facts,
The city is not going to build us out of the traffic jams connector Roads will help Shuttles to trail heads will help, But the traffic will just get worse in the future that’s a given, Frustration comes from trying to fix something that it’s fixable. I could go on and on about why Sedona is going to grow, some people reading this or just in denial and just want to be mad at somebody or some governmental body but I don’t see anybody complaining about their home prices and all the restaurants we have at our availability that all comes From being a tourist town.I hear people say well enough is enough, yes in your own mind and your own outlook that may be true, but Sedona is not a planned community, home lots will be built on more hotels will come and young affluent people from Phoenix will come up on the weekends, everybody in sedona seems to think they have an engineering degree most don’t you ,let the city do their job and as for traffic get used to it, there are no simple solutions to complicated problems
Steve, your posting makes the most sense of all the recent ones. Thanks for telling it as it is.
JB Sedona is the worst and cannot be more stupid even if he/she tried rewriting them both. Are there really folks as dumb as JB . Impossible to believe.
john
Congratulations are due to Tommy for increasing the volume of postings in Sedona.Biz. What he is ignoring is the nature of these posts. As an experienced resident in the art of persuasion ( both in losing and winning the public )I remind him that the brand of the newcomers is damaging the biz and that will reduce the media’s success it has previously enjoyed.
The new posters such as Intbel, JB Sedona are as hysterical a group of nitwits as anyone with functioning brains will tell us all. These Woo Woos are swamping the scene. I do not believe you, Tommy, were around in the days those Woozie heads had their ” heyday “. I was.
Yes it is good to allow the First to be present. But not when it ruins a good reputation like the past Biz had achieved.
Wake up.
A real doer, John
When you master reading the English language it may prove to be an interesting communications.
the real doer
john