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Letter to the Editor

After all the hoohahs, what are the lights really for?

by Jim Eaton

Let’s get real. This whole big thing about street lights started over concern for the safety of pedestrians who want to cross Highway 89A in West Sedona at night, in the middle of blocks, against oncoming traffic. Although there’s less foot traffic and less motor traffic after dark most nights, concern for their safety is valid.

There’s even more concern for safety in the face of all the vehicles making uncontrolled left turns across traffic – and others using the suicide lanes for acceleration or even passing lanes!  This has been a much bigger concern for the 25 years since I’ve been in Sedona.   How many hundreds of accidents have resulted?

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The need for center median dividers on West 89A is well-recognized, and several times has been designated a Council priority.  After all, more people run across West 89A in daytime than at night, with no safety island.  However, nothing has been done – usually because of opposition by a few West Sedona business people who fear less traffic past their stores.  I submit that this fear is not at all valid, and I cite the steady increases in West Sedona traffic and the fact that it all comes out in the wash – what goes west comes back east, and vice versa.  Provisions for change of direction take care of that.

So contrary to usual political practice, let’s try some common sense.   It appears that the choice between lights and no lights has gone away.  The choice between highway medians and no medians is only a matter of common sense and money.  So let’s install the medians at the same time as the lights, and put the lights in the medians!  Only half as many lights would be needed, and only one power line instead of two -- half the money!  The lighting for pedestrian safety would be in a safety island in mid-street, where drivers can see the pedestrians.  The lights could be lower, because they need only reach half as far.  Better safety, darker skies, less money.  Why not?

ADOT and the City have offered you 68 different options, ranging up to 325 light poles, some as high as a four-story building, for up to $5,000,000 – that’s Five Million Dollars, just for installing lights!  And no medians?   Now please draw your own conclusions, and maybe see the light.

Readers' comments

#1 Lovely concept, Mr. Eaton but who will pay for it?

#2 Mr. Eaton may have missed the meeting where the City and ADOT talked about the median proposal. #1--they would have to be medians WITH OBSTRUCTION TYPE WALLS so that people can't jaywalk and just hop the median. Can you imagine what kind of barricade you would need for 2.5 miles? #2--ADOT said that if you do the medians you have to do ROUNDABOUTS at every intersection so that people and the big trucks can turn around to get to their destination on the other side of the median. The city manager estimated $7-12 million for this much of it. #3--you would have to condemn (translate that into PAY FOR) private land at each of the intersections that that would be taken so that the roundabouts would be bigger and much wider than the highway. There was no estimate for how much it would cost to condemn (buy) the private land at each intersection corner but I don't think $20 million is out of line considering who all owns the dirt at Soldiers Pass, Northview/Rodeo, Coffee Pot, Andante, and Dry Creek Road intersections.

#3 In response to Reader #2 above:

Jim did not miss the meeting; reader #2 has made a few small errors. FYI, I was on the 89A safety Panel. From our meetings and per The Panel's final recommendations:

a. The medians were standard center of the road bumber-height (7 to 10 inches +/-) medians that ADOT agreed to at (mostly) ADOT's expense. Exactly what ADOT agreed to were "strategically located medians" per the safety needs along 89A.

b. The Pedestrian Barriers (what the reader calls Obstruction Walls) that we agreed to were along the outside edge of critical locations of the sidewalks (in front of Coffee Pot Restaurant for example) to keep pedestrians from jaywalking at known dangerous locations when a crosswalk is only a few hundred feet away.

c. Medians are usually paid for on state roads by ADOT (aka the state) as they have on 179, 89A just west of the Y, and on 89A as you drive west and up the hill towards the high school. Using medians in West Sedona would serve to make the state roads (179 and 89A) through Sedona consistent. ADOT agreed to pay for the strategically placed medians at mostly their expense. As to why they then forced the Sedona City Council into a corner by telling them now that Sedona had to pay for the medians is a mystery. Again it is a state road; improvements to a state road become state property, and are not paid for by a city then "gifted" back to ADOT.

d. It is not simply the width of 89A that would be the limiting factor in building roundabouts in West Sedona. While 89A has a set width (4 traffic lanes plus the suicide lane = 5 lanes) along the roadway, that width increases quite a bit in an arc at each intersection. At the location where a roundabout would replace the traffic light and intersection, 89A is much wider. The full width of 89A along the roadway is slightly more than 5 times the width of a single lane. However, the diameter of the exact locations for roundabouts along 89A is approximately 9 times a single lane without condemning land. If any cutting would be required, it would be the actual physical corner of the sidewalk as it was rounded.

Try this: at Coffee Pot Drive, on the north side of 89A, walking west, cross in the crosswalk when it is legally allowed; as you walk, look left into the intersection; then look right and up Coffee Pot. The roundabout's circumference would almost exactly fit in that circle's diameter and circumference. The land is already there, it is owned by the City of Sedona, and it is the first 20 or 25 feet of Coffee Pot Drive, and the first 20 or 25 feet of Sunset Drive decreasing in need as you approach each of the four corners. A nice circle (roundabout) fits in there. It is simple geometry and it would not take $20 million.
Many people have made this error in geometry and have wrongly calculated the diameter of the roundabout (a circle) to be equal to the main width of 89A (5 lanes).

It was always about safety: It was not about saving 60 seconds on a truck's left turn (rather than continuing on to the next roundabout and coming back for their delivery). It was not about the quickest possible business access for cars; it was, is, and will always be about safety.

This is why it was called The Sedona 89A Safety Panel!

#4 I am reader #3 following up to my own response that I sent in yesterday.

The geometry and the math:

I went out today and measured the 2-lane roundabout in front of Caldwell Banker and the main Post Office.

I also measured the intersection at 89A and Coffee Pot and Sunset. Sedona has all rounded corners at our intersections; they are not sharp corners.

I have constructed a model of the roundabout and a model of the intersection.

I then set the 2-lane Caldwell Banker roundabout model on top of the model of the intersection of 89A and Coffee Pot & Sunset.

From what I see, it is almost a perfect fit.

I believe ADOT and the city would need to take back approximately 30 square feet from the Arco, Walgreens, the old KFC, and M&I Bank.

It is likely that each of the 30 square foot oval areas are in the right-of-way owned by either ADOT or the City of Sedona already. So the cost to purchase land should be zero.

Even if they are not, each of the 4 rounded corners is landscaped and 300 to 400 feet away from the businesses and would in no way detract from the beauty that these 4 businesses have created.

I can't imagine any corner business owner complaining about 20 to 40 square feet when medians and roundabouts are clearly the Cadillac of safety improvements: 90% decrease in crashes per the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, a source that all DOTs like to refer to.

By far, most people in Sedona are good people; business owners in Sedona are good people; and when safety and facts are presented without "being economical with the truth"; the people and the businesses of Sedona will respond as good people do.

Driving along 89A, the businesses at the intersections are quite far from the already rounded-corner intersections: 100 to 200 feet at Dry Creek and Andante, 100 to 500 feet at Rodeo, 300 to 400 feet at Coffee Pot, 150 to 200 feet at Northview...

In my opinion, and after analyzing the intersections along 89A in West Sedona, roundabouts would fit with very little concession required.

This is another non-issue that certain people in our city have misstated due to a lack of facts or actually not taking the time to learn before they speak.

It is simple geometry. Isaac Newton was right in his book, "Principia".

#5
A lot of good comments. But this boils down to money - plain and simple. The city of Sedona does not have it and the state of Arizona does not have it.

ADOT would like nothing better than to give this road to Sedona so that we would have to pay for not only the improvements but the maintenance expense as well.

I was at the final meeting before the lights got shoved down the city's throat. ADOT's "Plan B" was to give the road to the city if they did not get behind the lights.

I like the idea of medians and round-abouts but who is going to pay for them and HOW???

Until solutions for those questions can be answered, everything else is just rhetoric.

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